@badal

thanda ho yaar. mazaq ki baat ko mazaq hi rehne do na. mere posting me itna barra "hahaha" nazar nahi aaya kya janab ko?

aap ne kaha ke halal nahi likha alcohol ke baare me, main ne kaha ke haram bhi nahi likha. iss baat par aap itna ghussa karo to achi baat to nahi hai na.

sulah kar lo paa ji.

@baazigar

of course its not allowed. ahmadiyyat ko idher kioN ghussa liya hai yaar.
main ne to mr. badal sahib ki lafz pakarrne wali adat ko tiss miss karne ki koshish ki thi, jiss tarah woh aik lafaz "halal" ko pakarr ke baith gaye main ne pooch liya ke "haram" kahaN likha hai bhala sharab ke baare me. likha hai kya?

iss ka matlab ayinda se mr d.l. kp muhtaat hona hoga, kuch bhi log ahmadiya muslim jamaat ki taraf mansoob kar sakte hain. khair i will take care. inshallah djeedja lotta38485.9988888889

SALL said:

im FOR a penal system
where not only prost but all these men visiting these places wd b punished too..

hmmm buhat sakht tabiyyat ki khatoon nikli aap to. kattar, pakki teacher, haath me dandda.

kya maloom yeh jinn menn aur women ki baat ho rahi hai unheN bachpan me buhat maar parri ho, issi liye jawani me apni hjasrateN poori karte haiN. saza se pehle konsi muasharti burai theek hui hai jo abb ho jaayegi?

kuch examples bhi to diya kareN.

Badal said:

can you show a single verse jis main likha ho kay yeh HALAL hai?

hahah badal kya baat ki hai, jahalat wali.
just one chalange from me, too.

can u show me just one verse, where alkohol ko "haram" kaha ho? there isent any such verse. dhoond lo jakar. mujhe bhi dikhana. siraf ratte lagaye hue hain, sahibaan ne.

ab jabb main ne kuch sawal pooche to sabb aahista aahista ghayeb ho rahe haiN. hmm maulwi to khair main nahi banta, haaN magar maulwis ke phailaye hue propaganda ka buhat barr dushman huN. aap par bhi lagta hai ussi ka assar hai.

agar islam ki hi nahi samajh aayi to this time ,i think there is really no base to talk with u. otherwise i could explain u, what islam is.

as one of my best friends, a non-ahmadi muslim, told me. D.L. if a maulwi in masjab explains me islam, i dont understand, but if u explain, i can understand, but u are not a muslim. hahahha to aap ko bhi yehi confusion hogi, aur kya kaha jasakta hai.

ignorance is the mother of la-ilmi, jahalat. and i am not sorry to say this.

haram is not always haram. what are u talking, yaar. even its allowed to neglect kalima if somebody is under pressure. all the things are written in quran. kabhi ghaur bhi kar lena chahiye.

these are the references about ur "haram is haram -theory":
Al-Quran:
2:174
5:4
6:146
16:116

so think about it. aur phir koi fatwa dena. jidher dekho chotte chotte, pidde pidde mufti baithe hue hain. hahaha   

@baazigar

thanks yaar for summarizing in such neutral words. lagta hai propaganda ka aap par assar nahi hua.

@cuta gal

no and never. khatamun nabiyyeen mustnt mean just and only, that Mohammad (saws) was the last prophet. it means also he (saws) was the best of prophets, or the seal of prophethood. dont try to translate arabic word "khatam" with the same Urdu word "khatam". these are in some ways two different words.

Hazrat Ali (ra) was called "khatamul auliya".
Bu ali seena, a great medician was called "khatamul atibba".
and no arab translated this ever that Hazrat ali (ra) was "the last wali" and bu ali seena was "the last medician". the word "khatam" is a term of arabic language and has not too much to do with urdu word "khatam". got it?

and this is not the view of just only Ahmadi muslims but a lot of great other sufiya, ulama and mujaddid BEFORE mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) said the same. i can give u a lot of references, if u are interested and not ignorant.

SALL said:

may i say something,, plz dont take it wrong,, but according to my vv limited knowledge
muslim hone liye kalima parhna kafi nahi hota (and its true for those aswell who call theirselves sunni, shia, ehl e hadees, etc)
Allah ki wahdaniyat
Rusool e pak (saw) ka akhri nabi hona
Quran pak k aik aik lafz ko sach samajhna
+ amaal
jab base hi nahi to agay ki kya sochein......

hmmm yes i have to confess, that ur knowledge is limited. hehe
as i know, jo nabi the aNhazra Mohammad (saws), unn ka yehi kehna tha ke kalima parrhna buhat hai. aaj kal ke musalman kya kehte hain, i dont care. and Prophet Mohammad (saws) never told, that u have to believe, that He (saws) is the last prophet. so aap ka mazhab koi aur lagta hai, yeh base sach much nahi hai hamare darmiyan.

to other things. well u may end the discussion whenever u want. no problem. magar iss tarah to nahi na ke aakhri lafz bola as a dictator and maiN jaarahi huN.

yeh jo ayet ka aap ne matlab bataya hai ke Allah aur rasool ki itaat karne se hamm siraf aise logon ke saath honge na ke unn me se ya unn jaisay. janab, dont u think ke yeh to sarasar unlogic baat hai ke aik to itaat karo aur phir darja bhi koi na mile, siraf aise logon ke saath bitha diya jaaye. yeh konsa level hai? yeh konsi barri baat hui phir? goya aNhazrat (saws) ki itaat karne se hamen aisa koi darja nahi milega balke aisa darja jinn ko mill chuka hai aise logoN ke saath bitha diya jaayega, aur kuch nai. yeh Allah ki aur uss ke rasool ki shaan ke khilaf interpretation hai, agar kehne ki ijazat ho. phir to main poochne ka haqq rakhta hun ke islam se kya paaya? siraf ooonche oonche logoN ke saath chalna phirna? baithna? khana khana? magar waisay na bann pana?

wilayat ka aur nabuwwat ka maloom to hai. magar logic samajh nahi aayi. yeh baat to aap ko quran me se dikhani hogi. ya hadis me se. khali kehne se maiN to nahi man ne wala. iss tarah to main bhi kuch bhi keh sakta hun. just give some arguments, please. hazrat Ali (ra) is called khatamul auliya, too. but why nobody aplies here to say, that he was the last wali? its a very famous hadis. so do some researche, too.

yaar dont be dictator like something. be fair.
we believe that Allah is just one.
we believe, that Mohammad is "khatamun nabiyyeen" (but not the last one)
we believe that every word of quran is true
and i do good amal as good as i can myself.

ab aap masiha ke aane wali quran ki nishaniyaN to bataye zara. saari ham ne to dekh li hain, shayed aap ko dikha paayeN.

SALL said:

but yeh to Quran pak mei bhi likha hai that He s no dead and he ll come back as messiha

hmmm kahaN? itni baar quran parrha, baar baar ghaur kiya, mujhe nazar nahi aaya. aap dikha deejiye, please.   

zawal ki aik hi wajah hoti hai,

na insaafi

jabb apne ham watanon aur minorities par zulm ho ne lage to zawal ajata hai. musalman jabb takk minorities ka khayal rakhte the theek rahe hain, jabb unhon ne discrimination shuroo kar dee to zawal aagya. ab bhi har musalman mulk me minorities ke huqooq dekh lijiye.


yusufi ghalat farma rahe hain. sharab and sex are huqooq-ullah. Allah baksh sakta hai, kissi ko bhi. magar agar koi insan huqooq-ul-ibaad na de to phir nahi bakshta Allah itni jaldi. thats, what i think.

SALL said:

answer to hamare paas bhi hai
but it s not that funny
dil pe lage ka tha kar k

aap mere jazbaat aur dil ka itna khayal na kiya kijiye, agar koi personal attack na ho to, tha kar k muNh par ya dil pe maara kijiye. tha kar k. magar funny baat ka jawab to funny hi hona chahiye ne, akhir. kya khayal hai?

@cute gal
"la ilaha illallah, muhammad ur rasool ullah"
there is no worthy of worship axcept Allah, Muhammad is his prophet.

this is the kalima of ahmadi-muslims. but now some maulwis say, that we mean Ahmad, as we are saying Muhammad. nauzubillah. Ab yahan par aakar kon aqal de. khair.

Ahmadi-Muslims believe that Mohammad (saws) was Khatamun nabiyyeen. but they dont believe, that he(saws) was the last prophet. "khatim" mustnt mean last as "arabic word "sharab" doesnt mean "alcohol", it means "juice". so sharab is forbidden in urdu-speaking countries, but not in arabic speaking countries. hahaha Khatim means the best, the sael of prophets. jaisay punjabi me kehte haiN ke "kabab banana te idde te khatam hai", doenst mean, that nobody after that person will make kababs, it means, that his kababs are best. all other meanings are against quran.   

@baazigar
thanks yaar


@badal sahib
no problem yaar. about whole of the ahmadi material and the literature is available online at
Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat, so please go on.
and whether u believe or not about the prophethood of Mirza ghulam ahmad (as), doesnt matter, coz kuffar told to Mohammad the same, that he did not deserve to be a prophet(nau zubillah), and christains and jews are still saying the same to Mohammad (saws), so what. come on, get some new arguments. u got the link. its ur turn. be logic. in this era of internet, aproximately everything is online. so we can talk about quran and hadis and so on. be cool.

SALL said:

i was tired iss liye gussa aa gaya

** TOPIC CLOSED **

ab mujhe ghussa aa gya hai

** TOPIC OPENED **

@sall

i wont tell the differences. i tell u just, what i believe. if i explain "the difference between ahmadi and other muslims", then i indirectly declare, that ahmadis are different than muslims, so non muslims. hahah and we dont believe, that we are non-muslims. pakka pakka musalman. alhamdulillah

so first i believe ke Allah is still living and talking to ppl, giving them wahi and ilham as HE did ever, if somebody is deeply in LOVE with Allah.

secondly, that if somebody is under HIS messenger Mohammad (saws), and does, what Mohammad (saws) did, he could get the level of prophets, too, coz our Prophet Mohammad (saws) was the best of prophets and a complete personallity and a comlete guidline for mankind.

so based on these two promises of ALLAH, told in the sura nisa verse 70, which is following.

"aur jo bhi Allah ki aur iss ke Rasool ki itaat kare, to yehi woh log hain jo unn logon ke sath honge jinn par Allah ne inaam kiya, Nabiyon me se, siddeeqon me se, shaheedon me se aur saleheen me se, aur yeh buhat hi ache saathi hai" al-nisa 70

an ahmady believes, that there is a prophet names mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani (as). but he didnt bring any new laws or shariyat but he is under the shariyat of ANhazrat Mohammad (saws). just like hazrat isa(as) came after hazrat moosa(as). and an ahmadi believes that mirza ghulam ahmad (as) is the promised messias, which all muslims are waiting for, or were waiting for.

so ahmadies believed on his message, which is nothing than islam. everything from quran, from sunnat, from hadis and so on.

and an ahmadi believes that hazrat isa (sa) is dead like all other prophets and human being and he is not still living in the heaven or anywhere else. He was a prophet and a human being, so he died as its natural.

official site for ahmadiyya muslim jamaat

Cute_gal said:

i read ur links....don' agree wid it....but again.....diff religions diff beliefs....n i appoligize if i offended any1 by dis post...

may be u read the links, i dont believe this. but its still ur right to have another opinion.

the fact is, which i underlinded, that the information about ahmadiyyat u posted were propagandistic material. this is all. it is just like the same propaganda which a lot of catholic christians make against islam that muslims believe no woman has a soul. no muslim believes this. it is just propaganda, sarasar jhoot.

and for ur kind information, if u want to know about someone, then its better to ask him, not other ppl. they might give u just and only wrong information, which in ur case is true. for ahmadiyyat, there is a link online here ahmadiyya muslim community. i think this is right information about us. and not any other links.

u didnt offend, but u hurt. haha new generation bhi waisi hi hai jaisi old one hai. it hurts sometimes. sorry if i offended or hurt u.

Bazigaar said:

djeedja lotta - i take it as u r Qadiani?

wah wah, buhat acha likha yaar. mogambo khush hua. thanks a lot.

we call us ahmadi-muslim or ahmadi, not qadiani. its just like if somebody calls mussla to us instead of muslim.

Cute_gal said:

Qadianism
Verses pertaining to Jihaad have been abrogated by the Wahy revealed to Ghulam Ahmad. He has in addition to the Qur'an, received Wahy, which is as important as the Qur'an.(Astugfirullah)...sarasar jhoot, no ahmadi-muslim believes this.

Qadianism
The Prophet had been sent twice to the world. The first time he appeared in Makkah, in the form of Muhammad and the second time in Qadian in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. (Astugfirullah)...itna barra aur sarasar jhoot, no ahmadi-muslim believes this. we even dont know ke konsi gupp maari hai.

Qadianism
The same Kalimah as the Muslims, except that Muhammad in the Kalimah refers to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.(Astugfirullah)... jhoot ki bhi koi hadd hoti hai yaar, har ahmadi-muslim ka kalima yehi hai, la ilaha illa allah, muhammad ur rasoolu allah. phir bhi jhoot par jhoot, propaganda


Qadianism
Obedience to Allah, obedience to English government.... just first part is the treust one. we are obedient to only Allah. nothing more. baaqi sabb gupps.

Qadianism
'The companions ate cheese from the Christians, although it was well known that it contained pigs, fat'. Faatima (Radhiallaahu Anhu) appeared to Ghulam Ahmad in a revealed state.(Astugfirullah)... ajeeb si stories hain, kuch. kissi ahmadi-muslim ko to pata bhi nahi inn jhoots ka. tafseeli jawab in urdu on the link at the end. itne barre barre jhoot yaar.

GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI
CLAIMS IN CHRONOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVES.... aur is chronology ki kya baat hai, siraf aap ko hi in baton ka ilm hai, aur kissi ko nahi. haha sarasar jhoot,

cute girl
please be fair. itne jhoot to kissi normal jhoote ko bhi hazam nahi hote, jitne aap ne nadaani me just copy and paste kar diye.

bravo to all other critical users. aisa laga hai ke aik bhairr ne chalang mari to peeche peeche sabb bherroN ne chalang maarni shuroo kar di. insaaf bhi koi chez hai.

bahar haal ooper diye gaye thake hue aitrazat ka jawab is in urdu available on the link here!!!!

downloadable as PDF-file on and here!!!!

we are used to it. argumentations against western pseudointellektuals, who generally blame islam coz of there surface oriented thoughts and argumentation of real third class propaganda of maulwi hazrat about ahmadiyyat, too.

thorra tajassus ke tehat search ke through yeh topic mila, hairan hun abhi takk. itni ghalat informations to western community islam je baare me nahi rakhte jitni idher ahmadiyyat ke khilaaf likhi gayi hain.

there are just two topics about qadianism, both content some informations, which in my opinion are more than just only wrong. they are wronger than wrongest.

strange for me. next time i will correct them. inshallah

i have just two generally questions:

what is written in quran about this issue?
and do u really know, how burger king kfc and others cut there meat? (i think, ur beloved jugular vein is cut there, too)

SALL said:

aap ki urdu bohot achi hai DL
welll,, this topic is finished i think,,

thanks, main bhi acha hun.
topic closed to gall hi khatam.

thakns a lot dear admins and mods.

another mashwara, if somebody edits a post, he/she should better take another font color. may be u do it already. agar siraf likha ho ke edited by baazigar on bla bla to kya pata ke baazigar saheb ne kya likha hai aur dunya ke aqalmand tareen lotte ne kya likha hai. samjhe na ap meri baat? waisay aap sabb ko bawuzu rehna chahiye.

@kash beauty, suna tha ke

"qatal karte hain, go haath me talwar nahi hai"

magar aap ne to beauty jaisay hathyaar ke hote hue bhi itni khatarnaak gun pakrri hui hai? iss ki koi zaroorat? kya apne husn par aitbaar nahi raha?

OK main ne jitna likha tha phir likh diya hai.

now back to the discussion.
what was jizya? wasent it just like taxes today?

what about ppl, who converted? they didnt need to pay any taxes? unn ko kya paisay milte the?

SALL said:

hmm,, got it dj
kehne ka matlab yeh nahi tha k larki change nahi hoti
matlab yeh tha ka koi mard usse change karne ki koshish hi nahi karta
i hope mujhe sahi samajh i aap ki baat

hahah i got a very funny jawab to this.

asal me baat yeh hai ke kuch cheezen badli nahi jasakti, like the security lacks in wondows, like the tail of dogs, like pisa tower in itlay, like guzra hua bachpan, king ka diya hua faisla, like maulwi ka diya hua fatwa(khair yeh to har roz badalta rehta hai), or like marra hua insan, kuch insanon ki himaqat, D.L. ki banai hui chaaye. wagheira wagheira wagheira (taaliyaN)

Bazigaar said:

how can u say weapons business in non-islamic?

iss waqt jo weapons ka karobaar profitable ho raha hai, woh baharhaal ghair islami hai meri raaye me. kionke, pehle jung karwai jaati hai, phir advertisment aur phir weapons bechi jaati hai.

india ko pakistan ke khilaf aur pakistan ko idnia ke khilaf karwa kar unn dono ko weapons bechi jaati hai. irak ko iran se larrwana aur weapons bechna. kuwait me irak ko bhejna aur khud weapons lekar aakhir udher puhanch jana. wagheira wagheira.

weapons ka karobar agar islami ho jaye to profitable hi nahi rahega, janab. haha yehi to kaam ki baat hai saare karobar me. jiss ghareeb aadmi ne aik air guns ki dukaan kholi hui hai uss se zyada kamai to jooton ki dukaan ki hogi, ya "meeda qasai" zyada kama raha hoga.

@SALL
yeh hamari taraf se islami hoga , aap ki taraf se ghair islami
u know, woh jo seedha seedha sa math me aik formula hota hai, +2 + -2 = 0. aap ki islami harkat plus meri ghair islami harkat = neutral harkaat mujhe nahi maloom tha ke main math me itna acha hun.

@SALL

hmmm i am sorry to say, but my second posting is edited by someone else. i did not write the whole passage over there. kissi ne garr barr ki hai.

i think, it was an admin or moderator. so buhat hi third class harkat hai, janab. and i am not sorry to say this.
sharam karo besharmo.
is this normal here?

Exquisite said:

mujhay nahi chaiye aqal lotay sahab, mujhe to pata hi nahi ke aqal ke saath mera kya talluq hoga aur waisay bhi aqal se barri hun main.

acha ji bibi ji. as u wish. main ab bhala kya keh sakta hun.

SALL said:

welllllll..
1/ Ulema --> Prophet, his companions, Sufiz
2/ Talwar --> im not sure abt the rest but u must have heard abt Mehmood Ghaznavi
3/ Sufi --> well mere nazdeek sufi ka aalim aur aalim ka sufi hona zaroori hai
4/ TV/Movie ??? samajh nahi i

i have heard about ghaznavi, woh kya islam le kar aaya tha? or was his attack just a political strategy?

islam par sabb se barra ilzam yehi lagaya jata hai ke talwar ke saath phaila hai. is it true? muhammad bin qasim, mahmood ghaznavi, phir khud Aanhazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.w) ki ghazwaat.

does it mean, islam hasnt any intellectuall power? prove it.
Re-Editied by D.L.djeedja lotta38475.5866550926

ghair islami harkaat me se:
weapons
drugs
prostitution (doosron se karwao)


from islami harkaat:
buildings
IT
oil industry

neutral harkaat me se there is just one lucrativ business:
give ur money to D.L.

SALL said:

can u name 3 most profitable/lucratif business in the world ??

legal or illegal?

Exquisite said:

mujhay abhi tak aisa 1 bhi percha nahi mila

hmmm phir to massla hogya na. ab to aap ko yeh taqseem karne honge. shuroo hojaye janab. jabb iss tarah ke 5 parche aap ko mill jayen ge to aap ko khud hi aqal aajaye gi. shabash, mehanti bachi/bacha.

~khushi~ said:

What do you think? Do you think love can be one sided?
Can you love some1 so much yet knowing that, the same person doesn't love you back?

one sided love doesnt exist. the fact of one sided feelings is a disease called shizophrenia, pagalpann, bewaqoofi, time wasting, bontarr jana, bollywood philia, bekaar insan and so on.

the feeling called "love" must be both sided. otherwise its something else, not love.